Physics Roundtable
My imperfect notes:
Physics Roundtable 11:30
Moderated by Skye Thomsen
Paul Canning, IEEE, http://www.ieee.org/patentcitations
IEEE hired a consulting firm to do a(nother?) study of patents referencing IEEE documents. They looked at the set of patents from top patenting organizations and then all patents related to 7 areas related to IEEE.
The point is that patents are valuable property for the university or company, IEEE documents are heavily used for patents. We should all buy IEEE (which we probably all do).
I’m perhaps a little less tolerant of this discussion, because they’ve really hit this point home over the last year or so. Besides, IEEE is probably the most highly used resource my organization has, so this discussion is irrelevant – we’ll always have some access to it.
Steve Moss, V.P., IOP Publishing
IOP Pricing Initiatives OR What you always wanted to know and were not afraid to ask.
1) why doesn’t IOP have e-only
2) bundling, why are we forced to buy in packages
3) book publishing sold to TandF (losing money, needed to re-invest as a society-based publisher)
There will be four models/choices:
1) Existing
2) Access to IOP’s database (e-only, full archive, all published research, tiered pricing – multiple criteria including GNP of a country, limited perpetual rights, probably only 10-15% more than current)
3) Access to a segment of the database (same as 2 but customized by subject, probably less than we’re paying now)
4) Open access? – abstracts, current papers (30 days free), best papers, certain journals (New Journal of Physics), 1-3 years for new titles, developing countries, back years (eventually)
Question from the audience – if I want to keep what I get, but cancel print, can I get a discount? No – IOP didn’t increase when they turned on electronic access, they kept the print price and added e on at no additional cost so can’t in a business sense do it.
NB: he hopes to lower prices or lessen the annual prices increases (now btwn 5-6%) after divesting of the books and the journals that are now gone to TandF
Segments: via PACs codes and otherwise
Molly White – ditch low performing titles? (answer: membership org, niche titles with strong need from a small group) stop introducing new titles? (answer: not that they’re shopping around to find a new publisher, have needs from the members and demand…. Maybe will stop adding new journals to packages)
Peggy Dominy – do you really need new journals at all, can you just publish the articles and put them in the pot? (answer: professors need to publish for tenure and have a measure of impact of the publishing platform – can we move that to a subject related board instead of a journal-tied board)
-- can’t you just get together with other publishers to only have one new (say, physical biology) title? (answer: they are trying)
Emily P – beta test, user testing? (answer: slow roll out, maybe 2006-7, maybe early adopters as beta)
Karen (UC Davis) – cost of refereeing as a percent of total production cost? can you post it to PAMnet? (he’ll try if it’s not too confidential)
Stella Ota – where did the funds come for the e-access? (answer: not really sure, IOP the institute made an investment of funds for other sources)
David Stern – you have kept costs low while doing some really innovative things… applause
Other topics:
Why keep the print?
• Preservation
• Quality
• Publishers aren’t keeping the print, no national repository for some countries to keep an archive
• Color images born print aren’t well reproduced in digital
• E-versions aren’t complete – errata, ads, editorial info
• Own vs. rent or license
• Integrity of the articles – Elsevier pulled an article
• ILL rights are very confusing for electronic licenses (it’s cheaper to buy the article from a doc delivery place than ILL)
Why ditch the print?
• Strong pressure for space
• Access from away, searching, multi-media
• LOCKSS
• Cost issues
Question: publishers promise that they will give a copy of all of the archives to a national library or repository should they go under -- what if a for-profit goes bankrupt and those are seen as assets that must be sold to pay creditors?
Prime real estate on campus: keep the print there or move the print off site
MIT: risk management method of keeping or ditching print
Price adjustment for the overlap in backfiles?
Punch list for electronic license negotiations
Designing library of the future:
• Combining circ and reference
• Computer and meeting spaces fewer stacks
• Locking mailboxes at the departments
• Open space available for departments to use for social meetings and their meetings
Communications of the division
• Vendors and comfort using PAMnet -- can they contribute by themselves, ask us to post for them, or stay quiet
• Vendors could use PAMnet as an announcement place – not a place to actually conduct the conversation
• When giving feedback to questions on the list, probably good to state where you’re coming from
• If we do a CoP it will be behind a firewall and will limit participation (I suggested a wiki, maybe)
Designing Space
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Physics Roundtable 11:30
Moderated by Skye Thomsen
Paul Canning, IEEE, http://www.ieee.org/patentcitations
IEEE hired a consulting firm to do a(nother?) study of patents referencing IEEE documents. They looked at the set of patents from top patenting organizations and then all patents related to 7 areas related to IEEE.
The point is that patents are valuable property for the university or company, IEEE documents are heavily used for patents. We should all buy IEEE (which we probably all do).
I’m perhaps a little less tolerant of this discussion, because they’ve really hit this point home over the last year or so. Besides, IEEE is probably the most highly used resource my organization has, so this discussion is irrelevant – we’ll always have some access to it.
Steve Moss, V.P., IOP Publishing
IOP Pricing Initiatives OR What you always wanted to know and were not afraid to ask.
1) why doesn’t IOP have e-only
2) bundling, why are we forced to buy in packages
3) book publishing sold to TandF (losing money, needed to re-invest as a society-based publisher)
There will be four models/choices:
1) Existing
2) Access to IOP’s database (e-only, full archive, all published research, tiered pricing – multiple criteria including GNP of a country, limited perpetual rights, probably only 10-15% more than current)
3) Access to a segment of the database (same as 2 but customized by subject, probably less than we’re paying now)
4) Open access? – abstracts, current papers (30 days free), best papers, certain journals (New Journal of Physics), 1-3 years for new titles, developing countries, back years (eventually)
Question from the audience – if I want to keep what I get, but cancel print, can I get a discount? No – IOP didn’t increase when they turned on electronic access, they kept the print price and added e on at no additional cost so can’t in a business sense do it.
NB: he hopes to lower prices or lessen the annual prices increases (now btwn 5-6%) after divesting of the books and the journals that are now gone to TandF
Segments: via PACs codes and otherwise
Molly White – ditch low performing titles? (answer: membership org, niche titles with strong need from a small group) stop introducing new titles? (answer: not that they’re shopping around to find a new publisher, have needs from the members and demand…. Maybe will stop adding new journals to packages)
Peggy Dominy – do you really need new journals at all, can you just publish the articles and put them in the pot? (answer: professors need to publish for tenure and have a measure of impact of the publishing platform – can we move that to a subject related board instead of a journal-tied board)
-- can’t you just get together with other publishers to only have one new (say, physical biology) title? (answer: they are trying)
Emily P – beta test, user testing? (answer: slow roll out, maybe 2006-7, maybe early adopters as beta)
Karen (UC Davis) – cost of refereeing as a percent of total production cost? can you post it to PAMnet? (he’ll try if it’s not too confidential)
Stella Ota – where did the funds come for the e-access? (answer: not really sure, IOP the institute made an investment of funds for other sources)
David Stern – you have kept costs low while doing some really innovative things… applause
Other topics:
Why keep the print?
• Preservation
• Quality
• Publishers aren’t keeping the print, no national repository for some countries to keep an archive
• Color images born print aren’t well reproduced in digital
• E-versions aren’t complete – errata, ads, editorial info
• Own vs. rent or license
• Integrity of the articles – Elsevier pulled an article
• ILL rights are very confusing for electronic licenses (it’s cheaper to buy the article from a doc delivery place than ILL)
Why ditch the print?
• Strong pressure for space
• Access from away, searching, multi-media
• LOCKSS
• Cost issues
Question: publishers promise that they will give a copy of all of the archives to a national library or repository should they go under -- what if a for-profit goes bankrupt and those are seen as assets that must be sold to pay creditors?
Prime real estate on campus: keep the print there or move the print off site
MIT: risk management method of keeping or ditching print
Price adjustment for the overlap in backfiles?
Punch list for electronic license negotiations
Designing library of the future:
• Combining circ and reference
• Computer and meeting spaces fewer stacks
• Locking mailboxes at the departments
• Open space available for departments to use for social meetings and their meetings
Communications of the division
• Vendors and comfort using PAMnet -- can they contribute by themselves, ask us to post for them, or stay quiet
• Vendors could use PAMnet as an announcement place – not a place to actually conduct the conversation
• When giving feedback to questions on the list, probably good to state where you’re coming from
• If we do a CoP it will be behind a firewall and will limit participation (I suggested a wiki, maybe)
Designing Space
- less room for reference
- one-on-one consultation areas
- curate and not be visible
- teaching PIM -- using bibliographic managers, etc.
- databases?
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